Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/30/1998 08:05 AM House STA

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       HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                  
                   April 30, 1998                                              
                     8:05 a.m.                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                
                                                                               
Representative Ivan Ivan, Vice Chairman                                        
Representative Ethan Berkowitz                                                 
Representative Joe Ryan                                                        
Representative Kim Elton                                                       
Representative Mark Hodgins                                                    
                                                                               
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                 
                                                                               
Representative Jeannette James, Chair                                          
Representative Al Vezey                                                        
                                                                               
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                             
                                                                               
CONFIRMATION HEARING:                                                          
                                                                               
     Alaska Public Offices Commission                                          
     Mark Rowland - Anchorage                                                  
                                                                               
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                   
                                                                               
* HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 45                                                    
Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the State of Alaska                
relating to a biennial state budget, to the appropriation limit,               
and to appropriations from the budget reserve fund.                            
                                                                               
     - MOVED HJR 45 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                           
                                                                               
* HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 35                                               
Establishing a Joint Task Force on the Census and Redistricting.               
                                                                               
     - MOVED HCR 35(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                      
                                                                               
* HOUSE BILL 303                                                               
"An Act extending the termination date of the Council on Domestic              
Violence and Sexual Assault; and providing for an effective date."             
                                                                               
     - MOVED HB 303 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                           
                                                                               
(* First public hearing)                                                       
                                                                               
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                
                                                                               
BILL: HJR 45                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: BIENNIAL STATE BUDGET                                             
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVES(S) PHILLIPS, Green                                 
                                                                               
Jrn-Date    Jrn-Page           Action                                          
 1/12/98      2020     (H)  READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                  
 1/12/98      2020     (H)  STA, JUDICIARY, FINANCE                            
 1/23/98      2121     (H)  COSPONSOR(S):  GREEN                               
 4/30/98               (H)  STA AT  8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                        
 4/30/98      3355     (H)  STA RPT  1DP 3NR                                   
 4/30/98      3356     (H)  DP: HODGINS; NR: ELTON, IVAN, RYAN                 
 4/30/98      3356     (H)  FISCAL NOTE (GOV)                                  
 4/30/98      3356     (H)  REFERRED TO JUDICIARY                              
                                                                               
BILL: HCR 35                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: ESTAB JT. TASK FORCE CENSUS/REDISTRICTING                         
SPONSOR(S): RULES                                                              
                                                                               
Jrn-Date    Jrn-Page           Action                                          
 4/23/98      3213     (H)  READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                  
 4/23/98      3213     (H)  STATE AFFAIRS                                      
 4/30/98               (H)  STA AT  8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                        
                                                                               
BILL: HB 303                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: EXTEND COUNCIL ON DOM.VIOL. & SEX.ASSAULT                         
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVES(S) ELTON, Davies, Hudson, Hodgins                  
                                                                               
Jrn-Date    Jrn-Page           Action                                          
 1/12/98      2024     (H)  PREFILE RELEASED 1/2/98                            
 1/12/98      2024     (H)  READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                  
 1/12/98      2024     (H)  STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY                           
 4/23/98      3231     (H)  COSPONSOR(S): HUDSON                               
 4/29/98      3344     (H)  COSPONSOR(S): HODGINS                              
 4/30/98               (H)  STA AT  8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                        
                                                                               
WITNESS REGISTER                                                               
                                                                               
MARK ROWLAND, Appointee                                                        
Alaska Public Offices Commission                                               
(Address not provided)                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                              
Telephone:  (907) 522-5185                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the APOC.                       
                                                                               
GAIL PHILLIPS, Representative                                                  
Alaska State Legislature                                                       
Capitol Building, Room 208                                                     
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                          
Telephone:  (907) 465-2689                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HJR 45.                                         
                                                                               
KAREN COWART, General Manager                                                  
Alaska Support Industry Alliance                                               
4220 B Street, Suite 200                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska  99503                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 563-2226                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in Support of HJR 45.                           
                                                                               
CHERYL FRASCA, Consultant                                                      
Government Relations                                                           
Alaska State Chamber                                                           
2415 La Honda                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska  99517                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 258-1226                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in Support of HJR 45.                           
                                                                               
BRAD PIERCE, Senior Policy Analyst                                             
Office of Management and Budget                                                
Office of the Governor                                                         
P.O. Box 110020                                                                
Juneau, Alaska  99811-0020                                                     
Telephone:  (907) 465-4677                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HJR 45.                                      
                                                                               
JOHN MANLY, Legislative Assistant                                              
  to Representative Martin                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                       
Capitol Building, Room 502                                                     
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                          
Telephone:  (907) 465-3783                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on behalf of Representative Martin,             
                     sponsor of HJR 35.                                        
                                                                               
CHRIS MILLER, Chief of                                                         
  Research and Analysis                                                        
Division of Administrative Services                                            
Department of Labor                                                            
P.O. Box 21149                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                          
Telephone:  (907) 465-4500                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 35.                           
                                                                               
JAYNE ANDREEN, Executive Director                                              
Council on Domestic Violence and                                               
  Sexual Assault                                                               
Department of Public Safety                                                    
P.O. Box 111200                                                                
Juneau, Alaska  99811                                                          
Telephone:  (907) 465-4356                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 303.                           
                                                                               
JODY JOHNSTON                                                                  
Women's Resource and Crisis Center                                             
325 South Spruce                                                               
Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                           
Telephone:  (907) 283-9479                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 303.                           
                                                                               
DIANA BUFFINGTON, President and                                                
  State Coordinator                                                            
Children's Rights Council                                                      
Chairman, Alaska Task Force on Family Law Reform                               
317 Maple Street                                                               
Kodiak, Alaska  99615                                                          
Telephone:  (907) 486-2290                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 303.                        
                                                                               
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                               
                                                                               
TAPE 98-57, SIDE A                                                             
Number 0001                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN IVAN called the House State Affairs Standing                
Committee meeting to order at 8:05 a.m.  Members present at the                
call to order were Representatives Ivan, Ryan, Elton, and Hodgins.             
Representative Berkowitz arrived at approximately 8:15 a.m.                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN informed the committee that this is their last              
business day unless the chairman calls them back in on Saturday.               
                                                                               
CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                           
                                                                               
Number 0009                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN announced the first order of business is the                
appointment of Mr. Rowland to the Alaska Public Offices Commission             
(APOC).                                                                        
                                                                               
Number 0012                                                                    
                                                                               
MARK ROWLAND, Appointee to the Alaska Public Offices Commission                
testified via teleconference.  He believes his resume sums up his              
interest in serving.  Mr. Rowland mentioned he was a superior court            
judge in Anchorage for many years and is now retired - doing some              
mediation.  He has lived in Alaska since 1965, a significant                   
portion of that time he's lived here, he's served the state in one             
capacity or another - as attorney general, an assistant district               
attorney and a superior court judge.                                           
                                                                               
MR. ROWLAND said he was subject to the jurisdiction of the APOC                
when he was a superior court judge and because of that, over the               
years he's had occasion to think about what they were doing and how            
they were doing it.  He mentioned he has no reforms in mind or                 
anything like that, it's really a matter of public service.  He                
thought he would like to continue to contribute in some way to the             
state and this was a way to do it, when the opportunity arose.                 
                                                                               
Number 0026                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MARK HODGINS made a motion to advance Mr. Rowland               
through the confirmation hearing.  There being no objections, Mr.              
Rowland was advanced.                                                          
                                                                               
HJR 45 - BIENNIAL STATE BUDGET                                                 
                                                                               
Number 0032                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN announced the next order of business is HJR 45,             
Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the State of Alaska                
relating to a biennial state budget, to the appropriation limit,               
and to appropriations from the budget reserve fund, sponsored by               
Representative Phillips.                                                       
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN took an at-ease for approximately five minutes.             
                                                                               
Number 0035                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE GAIL PHILLIPS, Alaska State Legislature presented               
HJR 45 said she has a proposal for Alaska to start thinking about              
implementing a biennial budget system.  Many other states in the               
nation do have biennial budgets, and this would have to be a                   
constitutional amendment.  She indicated she looks at it as a way              
not only for us to be able to save a lot of money in state                     
government, because she would anticipate that in a two-year cycle,             
the second year when they're not doing the budget could be reduced             
to about half-time, to 60 days.                                                
                                                                               
Number 0040                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS pointed out that, not only would it save a             
lot of money, but also it gives the agencies an opportunity to do              
long-range planning which they don't have the ability to do now -              
they spend so much time of every year of just doing budget work.               
She thinks it would be a major benefit to the agencies.  She also              
thinks it's something the people of Alaska are ready to look at, to            
explore, to see if it would be beneficial.  It works in other                  
states and she thinks that we could make it work here.                         
                                                                               
Number 0047                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE KIM ELTON said the only hesitation he has is,                   
because so much of our budget is based on one source of revenue,               
and that source of revenue has been extremely volatile (going from             
$24 to $10 and back-and-forth) that he is concerned that the second            
year, or the nonbudget year, we'd be spending an awful lot of time             
making readjustments to the budget because of those fluctuations.              
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS replied this legislation before you is just            
calling to put the question to the people, whether or not they want            
to pursue this.  In your statutes, when you would adjust statutes              
to the biennial budget process then you could put in a formula                 
there for adjusting to the differences in the price of oil.  She               
believes that could be handled in the statutory process.                       
                                                                               
Number 0058                                                                    
                                                                               
KAREN COWART, General Manager, Alaska Support Industry Alliance,               
testified via teleconference in support of HJR 45.  She said the               
Alaska Support Industry Alliance is a non-profit trade organization            
representing over 350 members engaged in business within the oil,              
gas, and mining industries.  Collectively, their members employ                
25,000 people.  Their mission is to foster and promote the safe and            
environmentally sound development of Alaska's natural resources.               
                                                                               
MS. COWART stated they believe state government should do business             
like a business and investigate ways to do more with less, to be               
more efficient and more effective in planning and executing our                
state budget.  Budget efficiencies would send a message to                     
potential investors that we have a solid and sound fiscal plan and             
our "House is in order, a good place to do business."                          
                                                                               
Number 0068                                                                    
                                                                               
MS. COWART said the Alliance believes a two-year budget cycle could            
result in the following:                                                       
                                                                               
     An opportunity for agency planning.  One that would be                    
     proactive spending habits instead of reactive spending dialog.            
                                                                               
     We also believe we would have the opportunity to analyze state            
     programs based on performance and results prior to budget                 
     appropriations.                                                           
                                                                               
     We believe there may be a potential for a shortened                       
     legislative session, thereby saving state dollars and                     
     resources.                                                                
                                                                               
     And finally, we believe that there would be a greater                     
     utilization of all 60 legislators and their expertise.                    
     Traditionally the Senate and House Finance Committees are made            
     up of the senior members of both bodies.  These members                   
     (indisc.) a majority of their time on budget matters during a             
     legislative session and their wisdom and experience in a two-             
year process could be available for legislative work due to freed-up time.  But
supplemental requirements.                                                     
                                                                               
     We believe a biennial budget process would not preclude                   
     supplemental budget considerations due to circumstances of                
     needs.  These could be addressed on a case-by-case basis.                 
     Nevertheless, the process would free-up legislators to focus              
     attention, one year on budget, one year on legislation.                   
     Twenty other states have already adopted a biennial budget                
     process.  That's a good indication that other states are                  
     thinking outside the "old box."                                           
                                                                               
     We believe Alaska needs to develop a new way of thinking.  We             
     must look at new and innovative ways to conduct business and              
     we encourage the dialogue on biennial budgeting to continue.              
                                                                               
Number 0086                                                                    
                                                                               
CHERYL FRASCA, Consultant, Government Relations Issues, Alaska                 
State Chamber, was next to testify in support of HJR 45 via                    
teleconference.  She said she works for the Alaska State Chamber in            
monitoring and reporting on Alaska budget issues.  Based on 17                 
years of experience she has worked for the legislature as well as              
with Office of Management and Budget (OMB) as Director of the                  
Budget Division for three years under the last administration.                 
Based on this experience, she said she wants to lend support to the            
idea of going to a biennial budget.                                            
                                                                               
MS. FRASCA mentioned the sponsor's statement recognizes the                    
legislature's time that it spends on budget issues.  She reiterated            
she gained a real appreciation for the time that the executive                 
branch spends in preparing a budget to meet your December                      
submission date.  In fact, just as the governor is signing into law            
one budget, the agencies are immediately clamoring for when is OMB             
going to issue the budget instructions so they can get going on                
preparing the documentation for the next year.  If we change that,             
so that it only happens every other year, she believes that it                 
would definitely free-up time for program managers and policy-                 
makers in the executive branch to actually manage their programs.              
And for which, you then can hold them accountable for the results              
that they may lead to.                                                         
                                                                               
Number 0099                                                                    
                                                                               
MS. FRASCA stated, "And I think the biennial budget process would              
also blend in very well with the results-based government framework            
that the legislature has worked on this session.  It would give                
them time to actually manage the results, as opposed to reacting to            
how much money they didn't get.  And then, even more important, it             
would give you the legislature the opportunity to exercise your                
oversights - responsibilities by focusing on how well they are, the            
return on the investments that you've given them in terms of                   
services that they're supposed to be providing."                               
                                                                               
Number 0104                                                                    
                                                                               
MS. FRASCA noted arguments in the past against going to a biennial             
budget has been the volatility of Alaska's revenues.  That worked              
when we had lots of money and waiting for the April forecast was               
more of a matter of "how much money does the legislature get to                
spend."  Now the issue is really more "how much money will be spent            
from the Constitutional Budget Reserve (CBR)."  So she doesn't                 
think that is as valid as it used to be as a reason not to go to a             
biennial budget.                                                               
                                                                               
MS. FRASCA addressed the issue of supplementals, she said her                  
observation is that, for the most part you can anticipate                      
supplementals.  It's just more a question of not knowing what the              
final dollar amount is going to be.  So, it's not that there's                 
unanticipated events for the most part, it's that no one wants to              
pony-up the full cost ahead of time without knowing what it's going            
to be.  As Ms. Corwart pointed out, there is a trend with the 20               
states, and even at the federal level, to going to a biennial                  
budget.  It's not suggested that the federal government, not that              
they're the model for budgeting, however, even Republicans and                 
Democrats - the Clinton Administration have supported a biennial               
budget approach.  She urged the committee's dialog on this issue.              
                                                                               
Number 0199                                                                    
                                                                               
BRAD PIERCE, Senior Policy Analyst, Office of Management and                   
Budget, Office of the Governor, was next to testify.  He stated the            
governor is very interested in this and has been interested for a              
couple of years in going to biennial budgeting for all the reasons             
that have been stated.  He indicated he would like to work with the            
sponsor of this to see if they can come up with a reasonable                   
approach.  He indicated the governor is generally supportive.                  
                                                                               
Number 0128                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE HODGINS made a motion to move HJR 45, with                      
individual recommendations and attached fiscal note.  There being              
no objections, HJR 45 moved from the House State Affairs Standing              
Committee.                                                                     
                                                                               
HCR 35 - ESTAB JT. TASK FORCE CENSUS/REDISTRICTING                             
                                                                               
Number 0135                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN announced the next order of business is HCR 35,             
Establishing a Joint Task Force on the Census and Redistricting,               
sponsored by Representative Martin.                                            
                                                                               
Number 0139                                                                    
                                                                               
JOHN MANLY, Legislative Assistant to Representative Martin, Alaska             
State Legislature, came before the committee.  He explained the                
resolution would set up a relatively informal task force of four               
members, two each from the House and Senate (those being appointed             
by the speaker of the House and president of the Senate), one                  
member from each caucus - the minority caucus and the majority                 
caucus.                                                                        
                                                                               
Number 0145                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY said the main purpose of the task force would be to track            
information related to the census and to the upcoming redistricting            
efforts that will be taking place over the next three or four years            
and to report that to the general membership to keep them well                 
informed of the process and the relatively large volume of                     
information that will be coming their way.                                     
                                                                               
MR. MANLY stated the main reason they proposed this task force is              
because of the two events that are coming up, the census of 2000               
will be taking place, generally for the country, in April 2000.                
However, the Federal Census Bureau as he understands it will have              
a special census count in February 2000 for Rural Alaska because so            
many of the people in the villages out there are not there in April            
when the Census Bureau would normally come around.  The second                 
event of course is the redistricting of the legislature and whether            
that continues in the purview of the governor or if it changes                 
under the constitutional amendment that's been proposed to have the            
legislature under the supreme court chief justice appoint the                  
members to that board.  Either way, the legislature needs to know              
what's going on to stay abreast of it.                                         
                                                                               
Number 0158                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY explained "The main idea behind what the task force would            
do would be to track this evolving census data.  There's a number              
of sources where it will be coming to us from, including the Census            
Bureau - they have an ongoing program of course of working with the            
states and local governments to try to get the best numbers they               
possibly can out of the census.  We'll be working with the                     
Department of Labor, the Research and Analysis folks there, and we             
have a couple of them with us here today to speak about what                   
they're doing.  And of course the National Conference of State                 
Legislatures (NCSL) - has an ongoing task force there of which                 
Representative Martin is the co-chairman."                                     
                                                                               
Number 0165                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY noted most legislatures in other states actually do the              
redistricting themselves, Alaska is only one of two states where               
the governor does it himself.  So NCSL has developed a real body of            
expert knowledge in that area.  He stressed they would like to keep            
the legislators informed and believes the task force can also act              
as a liaison between the whole process of the census and                       
redistricting and the communities of Alaska.                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
Number 0171                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY pointed out the Census Bureau is interested in getting               
accurate information of course in their census counts and the                  
better liaison they have between themselves, and the people that               
they're counting, the better counts they can get.  Not only is it              
important to get good numbers for the redistricting process but, as            
you're probably aware, virtually everything we get from the federal            
government in terms of revenue sharing programs depends on the                 
numbers that they get in the census.  So you have to get accurate              
numbers there.                                                                 
                                                                               
MR. MANLY mentioned another thing the Census Bureau would like us              
to do is to help them identify qualified workers that could work               
temporarily on the census.  It was pointed out at a meeting in                 
Seattle that the Census Bureau could hire every unemployed person              
in the country, at least for a short time, because they just have              
a short census.  But they do need to put a lot of people to work.              
                                                                               
Number 0182                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY concluded that whether the redistricting process stays               
with the governor, or whether it goes somewhere else - to the                  
legislature and so forth, legislators really need keep themselves              
well informed.  He said, "It's a little bit like going to a place              
where you don't speak the language and if you don't speak the                  
language you can't understand what they're saying, or it will take             
quite a while to the point where you do understand what they're                
saying."  So if at least some folks in the legislature spent some,             
over the next couple of years, learning to speak the language, then            
when the redistricting process happens, then they'll be in better              
shape.                                                                         
                                                                               
Number 0191                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN stated he has been on the receiving end, he                 
speaks two languages and has constituents that don't speak the                 
English language.  He indicated, even if he did speak English, it              
was difficult for him to understand what was going on in the census            
and redistricting process.  He said he's glad to see a proposal                
like this.                                                                     
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN noted Mr. Manly would interact or provide                   
information to the voters of Alaska.  He asked Mr. Manly how he                
would interact with the Reapportionment Board.                                 
                                                                               
Number 0198                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY replied this task force probably wouldn't necessarily                
have a formal relationship with the Reapportionment Board.                     
However, if HJR 44 passes the legislature, legislators would be                
involved in appointing the Reapportionment Board so they would have            
a fairly direct relationship there.  Other than that it would be to            
keep the legislature and the people of Alaska, as they see fit,                
informed of the process so they can - when the Reapportionment                 
Board starts holding hearing they'll be better informed to be able             
to speak at those hearings and to give their input into the                    
process.  So it's pretty much an informational thing.                          
                                                                               
Number 0207                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN said he assumes they will work with nonprofits              
that disseminate information.                                                  
                                                                               
MR. MANLY replied absolutely, the Census Bureau has made it very               
clear, for their part, they want to work with as many different                
types of governmental entities as they can whether it's state                  
government, the local government, Native corporations, tribal                  
governments, etcetera, because they want to get the best                       
information that they can possibly get for the census.                         
                                                                               
Number 0214                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON said he doesn't think this is a bad idea.  He             
said, "I guess the problem is with this time line, we've got a task            
force that is going to end right here when there's all this out                
here."  He asked Mr. Manly how this task force is to be carried                
beyond - into the Twenty-first Legislature.                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY replied he thinks it would be incumbent upon the incoming            
legislature next year to renew the task force with either the same             
members or new members.  The value of starting it now is that you              
can get six months worth of work done and to show the value of                 
having such a task force.                                                      
                                                                               
Number 0222                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON stated there is no requirement to actually to             
report to the legislature.  He offered a proposed amendment, page              
2, line 16, after the word "legislature" insert: and report to the             
legislature by January 1, 1999.                                                
                                                                               
MR. MANLY said he didn't think the sponsor would have a problem                
with that.                                                                     
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN asked Representative Elton to repeat his                    
amendment.                                                                     
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON reiterated just to add a reporting                        
requirement, after legislature, add:                                           
                                                                               
     and to report to the legislature by January 1, 1999                       
                                                                               
MR. MANLY asked January 1 or the day session starts - it doesn't               
matter.                                                                        
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON replied the session is starting too, although             
that's the day the task force is dissolved.                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY said it seems reasonable to him to include that.                     
                                                                               
Number 0232                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON made a motion to move the proposed amendment.             
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN asked if there were any objections, there being             
none, the amendment was adopted.                                               
                                                                               
Number 0237                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ETHAN BERKOWITZ asked if the Division of Elections              
have a similar tracking arrangement.                                           
                                                                               
MR. MANLY replied he's not aware of what the division is doing in              
this regard.  The liaison basically with the Census Bureau in the              
state is with the Department of Labor and Kathryn Lizik will speak             
to what she does for them.  In terms of the redistricting process,             
his experience in the Hickel Administration, was there wasn't                  
anybody that really followed that on an ongoing basis.  As he                  
recalls, the Department of Labor provided all the technical support            
that the Redistricting Board used.                                             
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ expressed one of his concerns he has is               
this task force only exists for a year for the duration of a                   
legislature and this is a problem that spans several legislatures.             
He believes the best way of tracking and assisting the census                  
taking would be for us to mandate that a permanent department or               
division track and assist rather than requiring all time citizen               
legislators to weigh in periodically.  He thinks the better way of             
(indisc.) continuity and ensuring full accounting is to have a                 
permanent liaison and this doesn't constitute a permanent liaison.             
                                                                               
Number 0251                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY replied that's not exactly the idea of this task force.              
There is a mandate that the Department of Labor do exactly what                
you're suggesting, in fact the state demographer, Doctor Williams              
is the Census Bureau's designated liaison.  The idea of this task              
force is that these members, of the House and Senate, would provide            
a liaison and information to the legislature themselves and to                 
their constituents.                                                            
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ said, "It seems that the demographer then             
should be required to report to the legislature.  Most of us are               
fairly capable of making our own evaluations of the numbers that               
are given to us.  And I've seen the task forces usually don't get              
much consideration at all, and I appreciate that a lot of folks                
like to get appointed to them and like to travel around with them.             
I just don't see this as contributing anything to ensure that                  
Alaska gets a full count in the census."                                       
                                                                               
Number 0264                                                                    
                                                                               
CHRIS MILLER, Chief of Research and Analysis, Division of                      
Administrative Services, Department of Labor, came before the                  
committee, at the request of Representative Martin, to review what             
they will be doing.  He pointed out a time line was distributed to             
the committee by year [TimeLine of Census and Redistricting Events,            
State of Alaska - 1998-2002, Representative Martin].  The time line            
basically shows the major activities as far as the census 2000                 
preparation that they will be doing.                                           
                                                                               
MR. MILLER stated in 1997 they began the first phase of (indisc.)              
2000.  Although, if  you were to talk to the Census Bureau, they               
have a time line that is a 15-year time line.  The Block Boundary              
Suggestion Program (BBSP) is where they then review actual                     
geography of the maps, the detail, and correct where there are                 
inaccuracies and pretty much do a massive cleanup effort of the                
detailed geography that the Census Bureau has in its electronic                
file knows as TIGER.  TIGER will be used a lot, it is essentially              
an electronic data base for electronic geographic plotting.  It is             
the data base that is used then to build all of these various maps             
that the Census Bureau uses.                                                   
                                                                               
Number 0278                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MILLER said they finished that process in July 1998, at least              
going through the review, and at that time, there were                         
approximately 30,000 census blocks - which is the smallest                     
geographic unit that the Census Bureau looks at in Alaska.  The                
Census Bureau than began digitizing that information.  That process            
was a manual process, where Ms. Lizik had about a half a dozen                 
different colored pencils on maps spread out all over her office               
correcting.  He noted the rest of 1997 was primarily working with              
the Census Bureau, in a back-and-forth basis making sure that they             
understood the corrections and notations that were made.                       
                                                                               
MR. MILLER stated at the beginning of this year they began the                 
Boundary Annexation Survey (BAS), that is where they contact all               
the cities in the state and ask them if there have been any legal              
boundary changes.  They verify with the cities and compare that                
with what the Census Bureau has and make necessary changes.  He                
said that process is ongoing now and will happen each year up until            
the census so that they ensure that all legal boundaries are                   
correct as far as the Census Bureau is concerned.                              
                                                                               
Number 0290                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MILLER mentioned they will begin this April, actually they hope            
to receive in the next week or so "verification maps" from the work            
they began in 1997, the Block Boundary Suggestion Program.  He                 
indicated they will have about 90 days to review that information,             
this process will then be completed, they'll have a second go-                 
around of a review.  In January 1999 this information will then                
have a second review "Voting District Project" that will begin in              
February 1999.  That will be the last point where they will have a             
detailed review of geography.  They will also be reviewing the                 
address list for the Census Bureau in 1999, this is back-and-forth             
with them, making sure that the Census Bureau has the best list                
that they can come up with as far as addresses to contact people.              
                                                                               
MR. MILLER said the census will take place in April 2000, as                   
mentioned earlier, and the census will actually start in Rural                 
Alaska in February.  The results of the census will then be                    
submitted to the president in December 2000, and will then be                  
submitted to the states between January and April 2001.  The                   
redistricting process would occur after (indisc.) when the census              
has arrived here.                                                              
                                                                               
Number 0307                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN asked Mr. Miller to provide a summary of                    
highlights to the legislature.                                                 
                                                                               
MR. MILLER agreed to do that.                                                  
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON asked, if there is a legislative task force,              
is any of the process confidential.                                            
                                                                               
MR. MILLER replied it's not confidential.                                      
                                                                               
Number 0314                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JOE RYAN said legislators were recently given a long            
and personally invasive form from the census Bureau wanting to know            
all kinds of information that some people may consider is none of              
their affair.  He asked if the state tracks that same information              
and establishes a database with it.                                            
                                                                               
MR. MILLER responded they will not duplicate the Census Bureau's               
efforts, that data will be collected by the Census Bureau only.                
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ asked if they had access to that                      
information.                                                                   
                                                                               
MR. MILLER replied summary data.                                               
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ remarked summary data, meaning not broken             
down by individuals.                                                           
                                                                               
MR. MILLER stressed that information is very confidential, they                
cannot look at details - responded information, that is                        
confidential.                                                                  
                                                                               
Number 0319                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. MANLY added that the Census Bureau keeps that information                  
confidential for 70 years, and that in the year 2000 you'll be able            
to find out information, names and addresses of people in the 1930             
census.  So you don't need to worry about that information that's              
on that long form.                                                             
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN asked if there were any other questions.                    
                                                                               
Number 0326                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE HODGINS made a motion to move HCR 35 as amended with            
individual recommendations and attached zero fiscal note.                      
                                                                               
Number 0327                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ objected for discussion purposes and will             
then withdraw his objection.  He said, "We go around creating task             
forces all the time and then we promptly proceed to ignore them.               
So, in the interest of creating smaller government, I'm not sure               
how this fits in.  In fact, I think it tends to work in the                    
opposite direction.  But if it makes people feel good, I guess it's            
a positive all by itself, saying that, I will withdraw my                      
objection."                                                                    
                                                                               
Number 0331                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN noted some small communities are not yet hooked             
up to computers or abilities like that.  He said they appreciate               
this type of task force and they hope to see them on the ground in             
his area, wherever possible to provide them with the information.              
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON jokingly said Representative Berkowitz has                
blown any chance he's ever had of getting on the task force.                   
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ replied it was deliberate.                            
                                                                               
Number 0335                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN asked if there were any other objections.  There            
being none, CSHCR 35(STA) moved from the House State Affairs                   
Standing Committee.                                                            
                                                                               
HB 303 - EXTEND COUNCIL ON DOM.VIOL. & SEX.ASSAULT                             
                                                                               
Number 0338                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN announced the last item on the agenda is HB 303,            
"An Act extending the termination date of the Council on Domestic              
Violence and Sexual Assault; and providing for an effective date,"             
sponsored by Representative Elton.                                             
                                                                               
Number 0340                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON first noted the executive director of the                 
council and two members are available to answer any questions.                 
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON said this bill simply extends the termination             
date of the Council on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault for                
four years to June 30, 2002, from June 30, 1998.  The council was              
established in 1981 and their statutory responsibilities are:                  
                                                                               
     To develop, implement, maintain and monitor domestic violence,            
     sexual assault and crisis intervention and prevention                     
     programs, including educational programs and school curricula;            
                                                                               
     To coordinate services provided by the Department of Law,                 
     Education, Public Safety, Health and Social Services, as well             
     as other state agencies and community groups dealing with                 
     domestic violence and sexual assault;                                     
                                                                               
     To provide technical assistance to state and local agencies               
     and community groups, as requested;                                       
                                                                               
     To develop and implement a standardized data collection system            
     on domestic violence and sexual assault, and crisis                       
     intervention and prevention;                                              
                                                                               
Number 0348                                                                    
                                                                               
     To receive and dispense state and federal money and award                 
     grants and contracts to qualified local community entities for            
     domestic violence, sexual assault, and crisis intervention and            
     prevention programs;                                                      
                                                                               
     To oversee and audit the domestic violence and sexual assault             
     programs which receive federal and state dollars;                         
                                                                               
     To consult with the Department of Health and Social Services              
     in the formulation of standards and procedures for the                    
     delivery of services to victims of domestic violence by health            
     care facilities and practitioners;                                        
                                                                               
     To consult with the Alaska Police Standards Council and other             
     police training programs to develop training programs                     
     regarding domestic violence for police officers and for                   
     correction, probation, and parole officers;                               
                                                                               
     To consult with public employers, school districts, the Alaska            
     Supreme Court and prosecuting authorities who are required to             
     provide continuing education courses in domestic violence to              
     employees;                                                                
                                                                               
     To make an annual report to the governor on the activities of             
     the council, including recommendations for legislation.                   
                                                                               
Number 0350                                                                    
                                                                               
     The council's role and responsibilities have grown                        
     significantly since 1996.  The state has imposed additional               
     responsibilities and federal funding has increased                        
     substantially.  This expansion of responsibilities is a                   
     reflection of a broadened understanding of the financial and              
     social costs of domestic violence and sexual assault in Alaska            
     communities.  Those costs accrue in health care, corrections,             
     police and court, as well as the long-term, negative effect on            
     children who witness violence at home.                                    
                                                                               
     The 1997 legislative audit of the council found that the                  
     council serves a public need and operates in the public                   
     interest and recommended that the council be reauthorized and             
     its termination date extended to June 30, 2002 which is what              
     this bill does.                                                           
                                                                               
Number 0358                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN said he is intrigued by the federal money                  
that's flowing into the state.  He asked what is the state match               
since we've increased it and where is the money going.                         
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON deferred the question to the executive                    
director.                                                                      
                                                                               
Number 0361                                                                    
                                                                               
JAYNE ANDREEN, Executive Director, Council on Domestic Violence and            
Sexual Assault, Department of Public Safety, came before the                   
committee in support of HB 303.  She replied they have a number of             
federal grants which she uses in a variety of ways.  Two of their              
federal grants are specifically pass-through grants from the                   
council to locally-based programs to provide services to victims of            
domestic violence and sexual assault.  She noted there are matching            
requirements for both of those, those matching requirements are                
passed on to the local grantees - it's not the council's                       
responsibility, it's something they incorporate into their grant               
process.                                                                       
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN asked who are the local grantees - who won the             
grant awards.                                                                  
                                                                               
MS. ANDREEN said she doesn't have the spreadsheet with her on whom             
actually gets that.  What they do is they issue one RFP [Request               
for Proposals] that combines both the state and the federal money.             
And through that RFP process, the application process, they can                
determine who would be eligible for the different pieces of the                
federal money.  It's the Victims of Crime Act and the Family                   
Violence Prevention and Service Act.  Once the council determines              
what the total award will be, council staff goes through and                   
determines how much will be federal versus state.                              
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN stated he just wanted to make sure Anchorage               
gets its share.                                                                
                                                                               
MS. ANDREEN assured Representative Ryan that Anchorage gets a                  
significant part.                                                              
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE HODGINS remarked unfortunately there is a tremendous            
amount of domestic violence.  That's a pretty sad state of affairs.            
                                                                               
Number 0375                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ attempted to make a motion to move HB 303.            
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN said he appreciated Representative Berkowitz'               
eagerness to move the bill out.                                                
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN indicated he was somewhat confused in the budget            
subcommittee's process.  He said, "We do have several safe shelters            
out in the area that I come from and there was some concern when,              
I believe some of the funds that normally go to the safe shelters              
were in danger of being pulled out and directed toward, I believe              
the 'rehab.' program for barterers, was that the case.  Can you                
explain what happened?  The funds that the safe shelters were                  
concerned of -- they've been operating quite successfully out                  
there.  They've taken care of the victims and the children."  He               
asked will we see that next year and noted he received a lot of                
feedback and wasn't prepared for that reaction.                                
                                                                               
Number 0386                                                                    
                                                                               
MS. ANDREEN replied she assumes what he is talking about is what               
happened in the House Finance Subcommittee for the Department of               
Public Safety.  The council has long felt that it's important that             
if batterer's programs be funded, they should not be funded at the             
expense of victims services.  We need to make sure that women and              
children are protected and have safe places to go.  What happened              
with the subcommittee is the original "cut-sheet" that they put                
forward, reflected a reduction basically of the council's regular              
budget by $300,000, $100,000 of that was supposed to be federal                
money, $200,000 of general fund money.  It did not designate where             
in the council's budget the money would come from, just that it                
would be moved into a separate BRU [Budget Review Unit],                       
specifically for batterer's program(s).                                        
                                                                               
MS. ANDREEN noted because the council only has approximately                   
$380,000 in administrative money, the rest of their money goes out             
in terms of grants and contracts for local services.  They didn't              
see any place or way that they would be able to make that cut                  
without some kind of reduction coming from the grant line.  She                
thinks that's what people were reacting to.                                    
                                                                               
MS. ANDREEN reported what the subcommittee ended up doing was                  
replacing that projected $300,000 cut with new permanent fund                  
dividends (PFD) fund and placed that in a separate BRU.  So the                
council's grant line for victims' services, as far as the state                
funds go, remains the same for FY 99.  And then there is new money             
in the House version for increased grants to batterer's programs.              
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN asked if the council will be looking for                    
alternative funding this year.                                                 
                                                                               
Number 0403                                                                    
                                                                               
MS. ANDREEN replied they are always looking for additional funding.            
There are also several federal grants that are not specifically for            
grant lines to victim services but are for special projects and                
those are all...                                                               
                                                                               
TAPE 98-57, SIDE B                                                             
Number 0002                                                                    
                                                                               
MS. ANDREEN replied to a question asked by Representative Ryan                 
which was not recorded.  She stated it depends on what the grant               
program is.  With the STOP [Services, Training, Officers and                   
Prosecutors] grants under the federal Violence Against Women Act,              
it's basically a 25 percent match except for services in the                   
subgrants that are devoted to victims services.  With the Rural                
Domestic Violence Child Victimization Grant and the Mandatory                  
Arrest grant, there is no matching requirement for those two.  With            
the two grants that fund ongoing services, both the Victim's of                
Crime Act grant and the Family Violence and Prevention and Service             
Act, it varies depending on how long a program has been in place               
but it's approximately 25 percent - it starts with 25 and goes up.             
                                                                               
Number 0008                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN asked how does the permanent fund money work.              
Is it the incarcerated people's money?                                         
                                                                               
MS. ANDREEN replied that's the incarcerated people's money.  The               
council is one of the three designated agencies to receive PFD                 
money.                                                                         
                                                                               
JODY JOHNSTON, Women's Resource and Crisis Center, testified via               
teleconference from Kenai.  She stated, as we heard Ms. Andreen                
identify this that, not only are there both state and federal                  
funds, one of the things she wants to highlight is that other                  
states recognize the value of our state council and the uniqueness             
of it, that we have a government arm that in fact provides a focus             
for victims - both women and children, and that we can provide a               
congruency throughout the state of our services.  She encouraged               
the committee to pass this bill and bring it to the floor and pass             
it quickly so that the council can focus on what it does well and              
that is coordinating services and monitoring throughout the state              
to help assure that the elimination of domestic violence in our                
state can continue to progress.                                                
                                                                               
Number 0025                                                                    
                                                                               
DIANA BUFFINGTON, President and State Coordinator for the                      
Children's Rights Council and also the Chairman of the Alaska Task             
Force on Family Law Reform testified via teleconference from Kodiak            
in opposition to HB 303.  She said, "I'm asking you that you turn              
down the request for extension of the Council on Domestic Violence             
and Sexual Assault.  Gentlemen, in 1971, 72, I was involved in a               
domestic violent relationship. ... On May 5, 1985 I was sexually               
assaulted in Houston, Texas, and I came out of both of those                   
incidences as a better person and I did it solely without the                  
councils on domestic violence, without women's resource centers and            
things like that.  I am concerned that the Council on Domestic                 
Violence has become a gender-biased organization, they improperly              
report federal statistics, like the U.S. Justice Department's                  
statistics that came out on the 1996 report.  Our council recently             
said that 95 percent of women are the victims of domestic violence             
that is false.  According to U.S. statistics, 205,000 women were               
treated by emergency room hospitals, 16,000 men were treated by                
emergency room hospitals for domestic violence."                               
                                                                               
Number 0042                                                                    
                                                                               
MS. BUFFINGTON discussed other statistics on domestic violence and             
sexual assault, the trend in male-bashing, and women's shelters                
that educate and encourage their employees in assisting women in               
filling out restraining orders.  She also accused the council of               
encouraging false allegations of domestic violence and sexual                  
assault of children as a means of controlling custody.  She                    
indicated, in states where mandatory mediation and divorce                     
education are in place, you'll find domestic violence numbers,                 
false allegations and child abuse and sexual assault going down.               
Ms. Buffington doesn't believe the council spends wisely and                   
encouraged the members to defeat HB 303.                                       
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN asked if there was anyone else who wanted to                
testify.                                                                       
                                                                               
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER said they support the bill but don't want to              
hold the bill up.                                                              
                                                                               
Number 0093                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN made the motion to move HB 303 from committee,             
with individual recommendations and attached zero fiscal note.                 
There being no objections, HB 303 moved from the House State                   
Affairs Standing Committee.                                                    
                                                                               
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
Number 0099                                                                    
                                                                               
VICE CHAIRMAN IVAN adjourned the House State Affairs Standing                  
Committee at 9:00 a.m.                                                         
                                                                               

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